tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post7921470587192018865..comments2023-11-05T20:19:44.812+13:00Comments on Ambassador Watch: UCG packing for DallasGavinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03060097218905523899noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-83377044206349402372007-03-26T07:12:00.000+12:002007-03-26T07:12:00.000+12:00One Anonymous said... It has become obvious from r...One Anonymous said... <BR/>It has become obvious from reading this discussion that many, many pro-COG people read this blog.<BR/><BR/>Now think for a minute about what this implies. <BR/><BR/>If you were a true god-fearing COG member, loyal to the core and rock solid in your faith, why would you feel the need to ever visit a blog which has time and again offered copious and overwhelming proof Armstrongism is a lie and COG leaders are corrupt?.....WE COG MEMBERS CHECK IN ONCE IN A WHILE BECAUSE ALL OF YOU ARE SUCH GOOD EXAMPLES TO US...AS WHAT NOT TO DO, AND HOW NOT TO BE...YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ANSWER TO YOUR CREATOR FOR ALL THIS ONE DAY... I KNOW, ( WINK, WINK, SNICKER, SNICKER, GRIN. GRIN.) YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE YOU'VE FOUND SOMETHING BETTER, WELL YOU BETTER ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN...IF YOU EVER KNEW THE TRUTH AND TURNED FROM IT YOU'VE HAD IT! <BR/><BR/>2Pet2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.<BR/><BR/>20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.<BR/><BR/>21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it , to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LATTER END IS...FUNNY AIN'T IT???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-81706385232100357122007-03-19T03:49:00.000+12:002007-03-19T03:49:00.000+12:00All:What I dont understand about the COE meetings,...All:<BR/><BR/>What I dont understand about the COE meetings, which are sent out in transcript form and reported on in the United News, is that NONE of this move to Dallas was mentioned AT ALL in any of these (so called) press releases of COE meetings! <BR/><BR/>This is not transparency. <BR/><BR/>It is the result of "backroom" politicing, with no open discussion, with the results then DUMPED onto the regular ministry and membership. A propoganda film was also produced secretly to "seal the deal" and to make anyone who would demand alternative views appear as "not with the program". <BR/><BR/>If I were a voting member of the United Ministry, I would vote against the whole project simply as a statement AGAINST the Due Process of decision making that has now occurred in UCG. Members in the Council are nominated by the Council, and no true debate or political platform is allowed in the elections at UCG anyway. It is sort of like the elections that occur in Cuba or something. Handpicked candidates with "confirmation votes" from a terrorized electorate. <BR/><BR/>So use this proxy, by voting NO, to "open up" the political process of UCG. <BR/><BR/>Bill Lussenheide , Menifee, CA USAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-31415767097853910772007-03-19T03:16:00.000+12:002007-03-19T03:16:00.000+12:00By the way, the first DVD shown Sabbath had NO req...By the way, the first DVD shown Sabbath had NO request for extra $$. But in terms of current finances, Clyde Kilough emphasized several times: "We're not in survival mode anymore."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-17484651767373368722007-03-18T14:32:00.000+12:002007-03-18T14:32:00.000+12:00Ok, so I listened to Clyde's sermon today. It was...Ok, so I listened to Clyde's sermon today. It was just another example of a 10 minute sermonette stretched into an hour-long droning. What a waste of time.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the upcoming video being sent to the elders will provide a little more reasoning why they have decided to move and why they picked Dallas of all places.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-61340263651377003772007-03-16T10:06:00.000+13:002007-03-16T10:06:00.000+13:00A little more on tithing:Let's not forget the inci...A little more on tithing:<BR/><BR/>Let's not forget the incident in Numbers 31. If tithing was something that God required, or commanded, before the Israelites received FREE land from God, then it surely would have applied here. There is no command to tithe or a regular practice of tithing mentioned from Adam to Sinai. To say that tithing was commanded prior to the giving of the covenant is to read something into the text that is simply not there. Also...the law regarding the redeeming of tithes(Lev. 27:31) proves beyond a doubt that the tithe could only be paid with agriculture, and prevented greedy Levites and priests from replacing the agricultural tithing system with money.<BR/><BR/>Steve KStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227542200969485271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-31122446109453660772007-03-16T08:11:00.000+13:002007-03-16T08:11:00.000+13:00A UCG Member:You are using the usual armstrongist ...A UCG Member:<BR/><BR/>You are using the usual armstrongist twisting and stretching of scripture tactic!<BR/><BR/>The account in Genesis 14 which is repeated in Hebrews 7 is a singular event: Abraham gave a tenth of the war spoils to Melchizedek and gave the remaining 90% away. He kept nothing for himself. There is no mention of Abraham ever giving a tenth of his own personal property nor was this act repeated again. <BR/><BR/>I suppose you'll want to bring up Jacob next. First Jacob struck a bargain with God, setting all sorts of conditions. If God would meet those conditions, Jacob would give back a tenth of all that God gave to him. (Gen 28).<BR/><BR/>Oddly enough: Jacob's tithes (food & animals) were brought to the same place as the burnt offerings where it was used in a big feast also for the benefit of the fatherless and widows (Deut 14) You won't see Flurry or Pack doing this.<BR/><BR/>What was to be tithed on? See Lev 17. Tithing was only on the products of the land; Animals, Fruits, and Veggies. Not the birds in the air, nor the fish in the sea. This chapter also deals with how the tenth was determined for flocks and herds by what passed under the rod...Every tenth animal whether good or bad. If someone only had nine of something no tithe was paid.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The armstrong tithing system is a scam, unholy, and a sin. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant and with that, the mosaic laws. Jesus bound us to a higher standard in the new covenant with the moral law.<BR/><BR/>More later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-5822918396393933262007-03-16T04:35:00.000+13:002007-03-16T04:35:00.000+13:00kscribe said... Can you give yourself a name on...<I>kscribe said...<BR/> Can you give yourself a name on this blog or are you one of those anonymous's that were named by their dope smoking hippie parents in the 70's? </I><BR/><BR/>Is "A UCG Member" any less nominative than "kscribe"? My parents smoking pot? Ha! That's like Dave Pack putting up a christmas tree! No, my real name is very plain and boring.<BR/><BR/><BR/>neotherm wrote... <I>I would also guess that most COG members are not hooked up to the internet and are not computer literate. </I><BR/><BR/>Most UCG members I know are.<BR/><BR/>He also said <I>People who are smart enough to futz around with computers but cannot parse through a few theological articles and see that the Old Covenant, with its tithing laws, is obsolete form a special paradoxical and inexplicable class.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm a software engineer, so I guess that makes me smart enough to "futz around with computers", and I've read enough of the Bible to see that tithing predates the Old Covenant and that Paul specifically discusses this in Hebrews 7. Abraham wasn't tithing on fruit and vegetables when he tithed to Melchizedek.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-51608296939926402652007-03-15T15:11:00.000+13:002007-03-15T15:11:00.000+13:00If you hold a sincere theological position, whethe...<I>If you hold a sincere theological position, whether it agrees with mine or not, that's no problem. But don't try to justify a system that sought to hide such nonsensical, often deviant behavior as that which I've outlined from careful scrutiny. And don't try to kid me or anyone else who lived it and breathed it and once even sought to support it that this kind of stuff wasn't prevalent, and too often the norm.</I><BR/><BR/>Well said, Ripley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-5911957355394777982007-03-15T13:16:00.000+13:002007-03-15T13:16:00.000+13:00charlie kieran said... "The COG leaders are not le...charlie kieran said... <BR/><BR/>"The COG leaders are not levites, nor do they serve in the temple...Yet they levy on you three tithes, on your monetary income, with no seventh year break.<BR/><BR/>Jesus himself did not accept tithes because he was not of the tribe of Levi and would have sinned had he accepted tithes. Jesus' ministry was supported solely by free will offerings...As was Paul's. Did your COG leader mention any of this in his sermon???"<BR/><BR/>QUESTION: If Jesus didn't accept the tithe of produce and animals, nor did the original apostles, nor did Paul, how can "ministers" today justify accepting, demanding, and oppressing their followers with the doctrine of the "tithe" of money?<BR/><BR/>Steve KStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227542200969485271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-25866454701474125292007-03-15T11:58:00.000+13:002007-03-15T11:58:00.000+13:00I wish I could find an email with which to write t...I wish I could find an email with which to write to Gavin, because from time to time it would be nice to suggest topics.<BR/><BR/>In this case, the tithing doctrine rears its head and leads to a bigger issue. The question, "Why didn't Jesus require it," or anything close to that, is quite valid. That tithing is an agrarian principle intended for an agrarian time seems inexplicably lost on people who seem intent on forking over their own money for the sake of identifying with, and therefore needing to "prove," someone else's theological interpretations. We all did it at one time or another, so please, let's resist the temptation to hurl stones, as if those of us who have come to disagree with the practice are idiots. Enforced <I>anything</I>, as opposed to that which comes from the heart, should be suspect.<BR/><BR/>Tithing, like virtually everything else in the historic Armstrong system, is directly tied to British-Israelism. Take that away, and it's tough to promote most of the teachings. Food laws? Check. Sabbath? Check. Holy Days? Check. Ministers NOT tithing because they are "Levites"? Check. What's the underlying "proof"? WE'RE ISRAELITES.<BR/><BR/>Huh? Just for the heck of it, could we please discuss "tithe of the tithe" with a straight face?<BR/><BR/>Of course not.<BR/><BR/>That you can do those things without doing harm is not the issue. But being told -- required -- to do it at the risk of one's "eternal life" is something altogether different.<BR/><BR/>The COGs are ripe with story after story of people who tithed for 30, 40, 50 or more years, and had little to show for it -- certainly not the "real, abundant living" so often touted. Why? I believe it's because of an egregiously overlooked principle of ministry: That those involved in ministry should be, toward their fellow Christians, "helpers of their joy."<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, but that was, by observation as well as anecdotal evidence, not the case on a consistent enough basis to merit the addendum "of God." I say that haltingly, because even I know it's best to let God be the judge of what's of him and what isn't. But I also have come to the conclusion that he expects me to think -- by God!<BR/><BR/>Like so many others, I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears the telling of people that they "stink" or were "filth." I don't think that's "of God." People were required to be baptized and rebaptized, and rebaptized after that, because they presumably didn't have the Holy Spirit. (We'll leave alone the presumptuousness, not to mention the violation of the blasphemy clause, of telling someone that). I don't think that's "of God." Confused and dazed true believers were told they were demon-possessed and rebellious, and in danger of the "lake of fire" -- and for what? Not wanting to sleep with the number two guy? Less? I don't think that's "of God."<BR/><BR/>And on and on it went.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, numerous Teflon "clergy" were trotting around under the cloak of the cloak, flaunting a "you can't touch me because of who I am" mentality that further alienated and confused people. It was insidious, not to mention just plain wrong.<BR/><BR/>You want to split hairs over doctrine? Fine. If you hold a sincere theological position, whether it agrees with mine or not, that's no problem. But don't try to justify a system that sought to hide such nonsensical, often deviant behavior as that which I've outlined from careful scrutiny. And don't try to kid me or anyone else who lived it and breathed it and once even sought to support it that this kind of stuff wasn't prevalent, and too often the norm.<BR/><BR/>There were, among the thorns, some roses who sincerely sought to conduct themselves differently. But one must look at the whole picture. What was the fruit? A fractured, contentious organization that produced many more of the same. A worldwide clique of people with a shared heritage who refuse to acknowledge their brotherhood, and therefore can't (or WONT!) bring themselves to treat one another with dignity, respect, and true compassion. An assortment of self-proclaimed apostles, or relative equivalent, who practice pronouncement and draw to themselves those who apparently crave abuse in order to somehow validate their proclivity to piousness.<BR/><BR/>"Helpers of their joy." If only. So much of the dissension would disappear into thin air. That that would not serve the purposes, or uphold the teachings, of many of today's organizational leaders should give one pause, at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-44809513762450659282007-03-15T09:47:00.000+13:002007-03-15T09:47:00.000+13:00Anonymous said... An honest reading of the scriptu...Anonymous said... <BR/><BR/>An honest reading of the scriptures reveal that tithing [is] part of the relationship that one has with God.<BR/><BR/>MY COMMENT: Where can I find that...apart from the Old Covenant?<BR/><BR/><BR/>If you choose to believe that it does not - that is your choice. But you are not being honest with the scriptures or with God.<BR/><BR/>MY COMMENT: I have honestly proven from the Scriptures that God does not require a tithe...especially a "money tithe". Money was never tithed upon. So, help me out here. How is "money tithing" being honest with the Scriptures, or with God? And, how does paying a "money tithe" to YOUR church give you a relationship with God? Be honest now.<BR/><BR/>Steve KStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227542200969485271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-41849442661924498372007-03-15T07:54:00.000+13:002007-03-15T07:54:00.000+13:00Anon,Not sure where you were taught tithing in the...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Not sure where you were taught tithing in the WCG but I was taught to tithe 1 & 2 Tithe as 10% each off the gross for years - starting with my paper delivery route as a boy. It wasn't until several years later that tithing was allowed off the net. I tithed faithfully until I left the WCG...Although I never did get to my first third tithe year as I left two years after baptism.<BR/><BR/>Excess second tithe was not to be taken back home and used for next year or deposited in the bank, it was to be sent in to HQ...And let us not forget the 'tithe of the tithe'.<BR/><BR/>holy day offerings and special pleas for other funds were on top of that...So the 10-20-30% claim is valid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-29577181545081966952007-03-15T07:01:00.000+13:002007-03-15T07:01:00.000+13:00"to argue FOR giving 10-20-30% of your income to a..."to argue FOR giving 10-20-30% of your income to a church"<BR/><BR/>Dennis, you are well respected on this blog for your insight and feeling about what happened. But the numbers above simply do not add up to the truth.<BR/><BR/>One thing that gets me is that we hear on blogs and anti-Armstrongism articles about giving 30% of one's income. I think anyone would have to admit it was 10% and offerings that we gave every year. At most, even still too much to this writer, 25% was given to the church on third tithe years, but we always had 10% for the FOT which was a vacation for most. <BR/><BR/>The argument of members 'giving 30%' really hurts those of you who hate armstrongism. It becomes a straw man for those who disagree with you. Most people who are tithing would look at that figure and say, 'that is a lie.'<BR/><BR/>Really, 10% gross income was too much. I believe in tithing, but 10% of one's increase is far different that 'income.' That is yet for another time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-65824031139065194502007-03-15T04:56:00.000+13:002007-03-15T04:56:00.000+13:00Well, here we go again! Most of us who have left ...Well, here we go again! Most of us who have left the ACOGs have done research, looking objectively for truth (as opposed to being spoonfed somebody else's "prooftexted" answers). <BR/><BR/>I've noticed over the past few years that, oddly enough, some of those still in the ACOGs want to be spoonfed our new answers. If we do this for them, one thing virtually never happens! They just never do seem to buy into it in any way, probably because it totally disagrees with their decades long programming. In fact, sometimes such an exchange results in them becoming more deeply entrenched in Armstrongism.<BR/><BR/>I've come to the conclusion that we should let the Armstrongites do their own research, assuming they want or need new answers. We did it, so why should we participate in "enabling" them by allowing them to be lazy and sloppy in their study techniques? <BR/><BR/>Bottom line is that we cannot know anonymous people posting on forums and blogs. There is and was a certain percentage of people who needed Armstrongism, or some kind of highly structured philosophy in their lives, or they would have run completely amuck. Most people thrive as independent thinkers, but it would be wrong of us to dismantle the support system for a truly weak individual whose life might very well go to hell without their Armstrongism.<BR/><BR/>BBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-84960933183091983702007-03-15T03:20:00.000+13:002007-03-15T03:20:00.000+13:00charlie kieran said... "Well anon... - Where in th...charlie kieran said... <BR/>"Well anon... - Where in the bible is a tithe anything but an agrarian tax? Where are tithes paid to anyone but the Levites for their service in the temple? Why did Jesus and the disciples not accept tithes and only free will offerings - Same with Paul? Why do armstrongists not follow the seventh year rule?"<BR/><BR/>Anon:<BR/>"This is all that you have? Once again we are treated to the same ol' anti-everything-proto-protestant-agnostic-postmodern-'enlightened' reading of the scriptures."<BR/><BR/>MY COMMENT: Answer the questions above first, then I'll give you more. Why do COGers pick and choose what they want to obey out of the Bible? Oh! I forgot. Because their "minister" tells them to. Do you think the "minister" might have an underlying reason why he has to keep that dead doctrine alive. ;-)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Steve KStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227542200969485271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-26727873830533582262007-03-15T02:26:00.000+13:002007-03-15T02:26:00.000+13:00Well anon... - Where in the bible is a tithe anyth...Well anon... - Where in the bible is a tithe anything but an agrarian tax? Where are tithes paid to anyone but the Levites for their service in the temple? Why did Jesus and the disciples not accept tithes and only free will offerings - Same with Paul? Why do armstrongists not follow the seventh year rule?<BR/><BR/>Easy answer: Because it is all bovine excreta.<BR/><BR/>At least one of the apostles claimed to have killed members of the church - Is that something you would give >Enter COG Despot Here< a pass on today?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-71644030479271611032007-03-14T23:49:00.000+13:002007-03-14T23:49:00.000+13:00I could go on but I'm tired and going to bed.This ...<I>I could go on but I'm tired and going to bed.</I><BR/><BR/>This is all that you have? Once again we are treated to the same ol' anti-everything-proto-protestant-agnostic-postmodern-'enlightened' reading of the scriptures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-46099220848622691092007-03-14T15:38:00.000+13:002007-03-14T15:38:00.000+13:00Anon: Tithing was an agrarian tax that was paid di...Anon: Tithing was an agrarian tax that was paid directly to the Levites for their service in the temple. It was never a monetary levy, you only tithed on every tenth of your livestock / Produce(IOW you had to have ten of something before you had to tithe on it) and there was a respite every seven years. <BR/><BR/>The COG leaders are not levites, nor do they serve in the temple...Yet they levy on you three tithes, on your monetary income, with no seventh year break.<BR/><BR/>Jesus himself did not accept tithes because he was not of the tribe of Levi and would have sinned had he accepted tithes. Jesus' ministry was supported solely by free will offerings...As was Paul's. Did your COG leader mention any of this in his sermon???<BR/><BR/><BR/>Expected Red Herrings:<BR/><BR/>- We are not an agrarian economy today: Big Deal, There were more workers on the lands of Israel then there were land owners...IOW Not everyone was a farmer. There were smiths and tradesmen of all types, including women who performed beautician services as well as tax collectors for the King of Israel.<BR/><BR/>- The Leaders and Ministry of the (Enter COG here) are the modern priesthood: No they are not. Jesus' sacrifice did away with the need for a physical priesthood, gave us a direct line to God, and there is no way in hell that the minister's in your COG can claim descendancy from the Levites unless he can credibly claim the name Levine, Levi, Levy, or some close fascimile. I think we'll see a Pope named Samuel Rabinowicz first.<BR/>- Tithing is mentioned in the New Testament: Sure, to the Hebrews, not the Christians. Stoning is mentioned too - For a good many sins that the COG leaders are guilty of. Really want to go down that road? There are also exhortations to put people to death for all sorts of silly offenses. How is that for God breathed??? Heck, in the NT there are leaders of the church that claimed to have killed people for some odd offense...Are you ready to absolve your leaders for murder?<BR/><BR/>I think maybe you are...That's sad.<BR/><BR/>I could go on but I'm tired and going to bed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-55356952644798484842007-03-14T15:15:00.000+13:002007-03-14T15:15:00.000+13:00Thank you Bill,Here is where this whole train of t...Thank you Bill,<BR/><BR/>Here is where this whole train of thought is going:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_sY1I5o-TY&NRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-32990829926312569362007-03-14T14:51:00.000+13:002007-03-14T14:51:00.000+13:00Neo said: "Does it cause any stir among xCOGers t...Neo said: "Does it cause any stir among xCOGers that the man who laid out what was done away and what was in force from the Old Covenant and advised Herbert on this later renounced this model and became an orthodox Christian? That was Herman Hoeh."<BR/><BR/>Having known Herman Hoeh (like many others) for nearly 20 years and worked for him for part of that time, if someone had told me that he had adopted elements of the edicts of Zarathustra, I can't say I would be surprised. An intensely private man, Hoeh was an enigma in the truest sense of the word.<BR/><BR/>If he was anything (and I actually write this with respect), he was an apologist for whomever was in power at the time in WCG.<BR/><BR/>1) For example, when HWA announced in the 1950s/1960s that the Egyptian pyramids couldn't have survived the Great Flood, Hoeh responded by simply rewriting history. Borrowing heavily from Immanuel Velikovsky's controversial work, Ages in Chaos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_in_Chaos), Hoeh reworked traditionally accepted Egyptian and Babylonian dynasty chronologies so they fit HWA's Flood scheme. He subsequently published them as "new truth" in the first volume of his legendary Compendium. When HWA later allowed for the pyramids to actually have "survived" the Flood, Hoeh looked like an idiot.<BR/><BR/>2) The "theology" for HWA's title and rank of "Apostle" came directly from Hoeh. HWA actually initially rebuked Hoeh for calling Armstrong an Apostle, but as we all know, gradually accepted it (although HWA didn't use the title openly for nearly 20 years).<BR/><BR/>3) In the last months while HWA was dying, Hoeh basically either flat-out hand-wrote sections or heavily edited prior HWA works for the book that became Mystery of the Ages. (Sheila Graham also played a significant role in the production of MOA, which should give Flurry fits). Mystery of the Ages would be more appropriately title "Herbert Armstrong's Greatest Hits," edited by Herman L. Hoeh. <BR/><BR/>4) Hoeh heavily edited HWA's original Authobiography after Armstrong's death (again with aid from Sheila Graham), adding in HWA letters and the initial pieces about Joe Tkach. The result was a politically tinged tone that produced a quasi-"balanced" view of WCG's founder and made it seem like the selection of Tkach as successor was an orderly process (which it was anything but same).<BR/><BR/>I had a great deal of respect for Hoeh (particularly in how he and his wife were true servants of humanity), but truly to really understand what he "believed" at any given moment was like trying to nail a wet noodle to a wall.<BR/><BR/>TraderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-50984433278581340432007-03-14T14:47:00.000+13:002007-03-14T14:47:00.000+13:00Then if it was Biblical, you won't be tithing anym...<I>Then if it was Biblical, you won't be tithing anymore, right?</I><BR/><BR/>An honest reading of the scriptures reveal that tithing part of the relationship that one has with God. If you choose to believe that it does not - that is your choice. But you are not being honest with the scriptures or with God. (And spare me the comments from those of you who do not believe that God exists.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-68468696370807133042007-03-14T14:42:00.000+13:002007-03-14T14:42:00.000+13:00"Current COGers have difficulty imagining that thi..."Current COGers have difficulty imagining that things aren't as they believe them to be. And so it goes, and always will, I would imagine."<BR/><BR/>Hey Ripley, believe it or not (just joking here you know). I think the in denial thing is really kind of silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-72468624001838040832007-03-14T14:36:00.000+13:002007-03-14T14:36:00.000+13:00Great tone to your email Steve K. You sound a bit...Great tone to your email Steve K. You sound a bit huffy.<BR/><BR/>Humph....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-73059551868954329152007-03-14T14:34:00.000+13:002007-03-14T14:34:00.000+13:00"We all have fun listening to the dumb sheep of th..."We all have fun listening to the dumb sheep of the COGs..."<BR/><BR/>You see this CoGers, he has no other thing he can do but ridicule. No argument, just attack the messenger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-12470031831362736722007-03-14T14:21:00.000+13:002007-03-14T14:21:00.000+13:00EXCLUSIVE FOR AW BLOGGERS FROM THE LUSSENHEIDE!......EXCLUSIVE FOR AW BLOGGERS FROM THE LUSSENHEIDE!...<BR/><BR/>Video clip from the UCG Homeoffice DVD to be shown to the brethren this coming Sabbath about the move to Dallas, It shows how quickly and dilligently they will be applying the logistics and equipment in physically making the move speedy...<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5_HIBmbiGE<BR/><BR/>COPY THE ABOVE LINK INTO YOUR BROWSER AND THEN PRESS ENTER. <BR/><BR/>LussenheideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com