tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post809758847374144273..comments2023-11-05T20:19:44.812+13:00Comments on Ambassador Watch: Redefining Morality UCG StyleGavinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03060097218905523899noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-14606321375668803352008-03-23T17:04:00.000+13:002008-03-23T17:04:00.000+13:00To anonymous "Weinland Uber Alles" and Gavin and a...To anonymous "Weinland Uber Alles" and Gavin and all:<BR/><BR/>The Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God has now issued an official <A HREF="http://weinlandwatch.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/the-churchs-reaction-to-the-lack-of-shock-and-horror-on-the-18th-march/" REL="nofollow">response</A> to the <A HREF="http://weinlandwatch.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/the-seventh-seal-definitively-debunked/" REL="nofollow">objection</A> that the world wasn't shocked or in horror <STRONG>on the day</STRONG> the seventh seal was opened, as page 23 of 2008: God's Final Witness instructed us it would be.<BR/><BR/>The answer is very telling, and sheds more light on the fact that Weinland may indeed <STRONG>not</STRONG> believe his own prophecies, and may just be in it for the <A HREF="http://weinlandwatch.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/an-exchange-with-a-prospective-member/" REL="nofollow">money</A>.<BR/><BR/>The timeline has now been extended past April 17th: <EM>"1260</EM> [days from Feb. 2 2008]<EM>:....It is not known how long this </EM>[the Great Tribulation] <EM>will take to be completed. It may take 6 to 12 months."</EM><BR/><BR/>Wiggle room much Ronnie?Weinland Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08029452242127198705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-76456427262061626132008-03-21T14:47:00.000+13:002008-03-21T14:47:00.000+13:00Seamus said: "It is rumoured that Worldwide in NZ ...Seamus said: "It is rumoured that Worldwide in NZ had certain people who could give a reasonable rendition of Dem Bones. But, of course, their voice would be past the prime now."<BR/><BR/>We kiwis used to be able to put together a reasonable concert at the FOT. After all, we flightless birds have to be good at something else besides laying enormous eggs ;-)<BR/><BR/>We'll have to disagree about those dry old bones though... sounds more like a "dead nation" coming back to life to me than an instruction kit of how to reassemble a human being (along the lines of: if all else fails, read the instructions). <BR/>Oops, one spare rib left over....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-26926240283109415962008-03-21T11:27:00.000+13:002008-03-21T11:27:00.000+13:00Neotherm remarked:"Bob E.: The problem with your a...Neotherm remarked:<BR/><I>"Bob E.: The problem with your argument is that the state of Israel exists and represents a gathering in of at least some of the Jewish population. At least, the Jews now occupy their homeland."</I><BR/><BR/>I would reply that it was the northern 10 tribes that God divorced and then scattered. The southern tribes (Benjamin, Levi, and Judah) remained a part of the OC until the time of Christ's death. So even though scripture records that they were very bad boys, apparently in God's eyes it wasn't bad enough to dissolve the covenant between them.<BR/><BR/>Tired Skeptic asked:<BR/><I>"For those who haven't thrown the Bible out the window, none of us can take anything Tom Mahon says seriously: He misquotes Scripture, for heaven's sake! We sort of wonder what he might use a Bible for? Propping up a short leg on the coffee table, perhaps? Pressing flowers between the pages? Toilet paper?"</I><BR/><BR/>Well Tom could let his cat use it for a pillow, like your cat does :-)<BR/><BR/>Bob E.Baashabobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945527695465082450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-33989960545843477862008-03-21T06:13:00.000+13:002008-03-21T06:13:00.000+13:00Slightly off-message, but relevant re the EU/USA. ...Slightly off-message, but relevant re the EU/USA. Check out <BR/><BR/>http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/the_new_european_union_the_emp.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-10714991843358344482008-03-21T02:29:00.000+13:002008-03-21T02:29:00.000+13:00For those that consider the ‘BI’ idea to be racist...For those that consider the ‘BI’ idea to be racist, should maybe read through some of the racist and religious discrimination comments written in this thread, and written by those that reject the BI idea. <BR/><BR/>I find it interesting. So called ‘Armstrongism’ of fifty years ago would feel at home with these comments, but I find it a little distasteful.Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-61029438796238987232008-03-20T21:09:00.000+13:002008-03-20T21:09:00.000+13:00Tired Skeptic said...>>>UCG should walk away from ...Tired Skeptic said...<BR/><BR/>>>>UCG should walk away from the Classic WCG [as opposed to WCG lite] and concentrate on their gospel that there will be a second resurrection where everyone will get a chance.<<<<BR/><BR/>Your "where everyone will get a chance," is pure heresy. Salvation is a gift of God, not a roll of the dice, you may be dumbfounded to discover, as you are incapable of learning the truth!Tom Mahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02087223683733643082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-36923365549427036432008-03-20T19:34:00.000+13:002008-03-20T19:34:00.000+13:00Lyle, thanks for your response. Your view correspo...Lyle, thanks for your response. Your view corresponds to what I grew up hearing in the WCG, though they never did explain why a resurrection to physical life would occur for all Israel long before the "official timing" given for the GWT resurrection, post-Mill. Perhaps they hoped we'd never notice.<BR/><BR/>There are alternate explanations, however. Note that "tribes" are not in fact mentioned. Rather the two houses are, thereby allowing for the fact that tribal identity has been lost. Many take the view today that the regathering of the descendants of Jacob from "the north country" i.e. Russia, with others from the "east, west, and south" - western and arab countries - is exactly prophecy being fulfilled in the modern state of Israel today. That God "breathes" the nation back into life, something that was never expected to happen again, especially as Jews everywhere despaired of having their hope lost, and being cut off (Ezek 37:11). Some even propose that the "rattling of bones" (verse 7)was the shaking of WWI and WWII. <BR/><BR/>Sounds more plausible to me than what would otherwise be a "slow-motion resurrection" being described here: first a bone here and there, then a sinew, then skin, then breath. More plausible to think of this as a gradual nation-building, IMHO. <BR/><BR/>Note they receive the Spirit when they are back in the land. This can be seen in the number of Israelis coming to believe in Yeshua.<BR/><BR/>Whatever one thinks about the fate of Jacob's descendants (or whatever one thinks of prophecy theories in general), according to the Bible they simply cannot be a people who have formed their own sovereign nation somewhere else in the world (such as USA, Britain, etc). That would contradict biblical prophecy that they would be wanderers hounded from nation to nation until the regathering.<BR/><BR/>There may of course be many descendants of Jacob who have lost their identity, living in every country in the world. Perhaps one house (Joseph) has fared better by virtue of which peoples they are scattered among, than say Judah which has suffered much persecution.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, by no means has anyone put this prophetic business to bed, no matter how certain we once felt a particular interpretation was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-19740638267414979882008-03-20T19:30:00.000+13:002008-03-20T19:30:00.000+13:00Revised and enlarged editionTkach Bear Stearnes ba...Revised and enlarged edition<BR/><BR/>Tkach Bear Stearnes banker....<BR/><BR/>I sent some doggerel to our local banks headlined thus:<BR/><BR/>"Bare Sterns Bottom Out."<BR/><BR/>They were left very exposed.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Kiwi"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Regarding Ezek 36/37,I have to agree with Lyle that what is being described here has nothing to do <BR/>with modern Israel.The Negro spiritual "Dem Bones" is taken straight from the book of Ezekiel.<BR/><BR/>Hallelujah,Praise the Lord.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Freflo Dollar would like to sing it for us and Gavin could put it on audio.<BR/><BR/>It is rumoured that Worldwide in NZ had certain people who could give a reasonable rendition of "Dem Bones'.But,of course,their voice would be past the prime now.<BR/><BR/>Seamus<BR/><BR/>Thu Mar 20, 07:23:00 PM NZDTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-68473252001601707752008-03-20T19:28:00.000+13:002008-03-20T19:28:00.000+13:00>>>Hey Mel, I can't help but wonder if she ever ex...>>>Hey Mel, I can't help but wonder if she ever explained the number 69 to you? :-))<<<<BR/><BR/>Actually, for some reason she called 122 her "God number"<BR/><BR/>But since you ask about positions...<BR/>one day she came over with a stack of cards showing all different positions. I looked at like the top two and went "oh, nooo...", to myself.<BR/>Luckily her mouth was dry from the Lithium and while I was up getting her some water my cat Midnight hopped through the open window, into the room and onto her with a dead rabbit's head in his mouth, then deposited the head on the floor next to her.<BR/><BR/>I've never heard such a horrible scream in my life!<BR/><BR/>It saved me from having to try to contort to whatever all those cards showed...<BR/><BR/>Oh well, you asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-28949729032203040842008-03-20T19:23:00.000+13:002008-03-20T19:23:00.000+13:00Tkach Bear Stearnes banker....I sent some doggerel...Tkach Bear Stearnes banker....<BR/><BR/>I sent some doggerel to our local banks headlined thus:<BR/><BR/>"Bare Sterns Bottom Out."<BR/><BR/>They were left very exposed.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Kiwi"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Regarding Ezek 36/37,I have to agree with Lyle that what is being described here has nothing to do <BR/>with modern Israel.The Negro spiritual "Dem Bones" is taken straight from the book of Ezekiel.<BR/>Perhaps Creflo Dollar would like to sing it for us and Gavin put could put it on audio.<BR/><BR/><BR/>SeamusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-71931013430132556772008-03-20T18:49:00.000+13:002008-03-20T18:49:00.000+13:00I'm growing tired of hearing about Herb's racism!H...I'm growing tired of hearing about Herb's racism!<BR/><BR/>Here's some Mormon racism:<BR/><BR/>The Mormon explanation of the Negro race is that there was an ancient battle between Jesus and Satan. Those who remained neutral in the battle were cursed to have black skin, thus creating the Negro race.<BR/><BR/>Those who fought most valiantly against Satan were given "white and delightsome" skin.<BR/><BR/>Mormons wear magic protective underwear.<BR/><BR/>Hmmmm....<BR/>Maybe the reason herbie didn't prescribe magic protective underwear for his followers is because the price of magic protective underwear might have put a dent in the offerings.<BR/><BR/>After all, magic protective underwear isn't free.<BR/><BR/>Neither are herbie's followers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-88101116635367104312008-03-20T18:31:00.000+13:002008-03-20T18:31:00.000+13:00In answer to kiwi's question, Ezekiel 36 and 37 do...In answer to kiwi's question, Ezekiel 36 and 37 does directly speak to a physical resurrection of Israel. Without going into too much detail, one can see it most clearly beginning at Ezekiel 37:11 where God begins to give His interpretation of the vision of the Valley of Dry Bones. Too many people try to interpret the interpretation, as if IT were also a vision. God's interpretation is the expected reality. Until we realize this we will be confused in our understanding of what the bible is saying.<BR/><BR/>To confirm this even more just a few verses later God gives another illustration with another divine interpretation in Ezek 37:18. Here God shows that that this Israel will be all of the 12 tribes reunited under one kingdom. This is as far from the current reality as you can get. Modern Israel has no distinctive tribes, and for that matter no theocratic government, as Ezekiel describes. Nothing today is as written. Ergo no prophecy is currently being fulfilled.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06604081348336261959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-57337551291939465132008-03-20T17:08:00.000+13:002008-03-20T17:08:00.000+13:00anonymous said..."Just like France and Germany, th...<I>anonymous said...<BR/>"Just like France and Germany, the British are now reaping the "rewards" of African and Middle Eastern colonialism."<BR/><BR/>But the British spread freedom, just like America! What are you, a liberal commie? They riot because they hate the freedoms we have! Wait, I applied that talking point to the wrong situation.<BR/><BR/>Paul</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Hey, you're ruining my dinner of freedom fries! AMERICAN KABUKIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064036099785125749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-68262023297897829762008-03-20T17:06:00.000+13:002008-03-20T17:06:00.000+13:00For those of us who have thrown the Bible out the ...<I>For those of us who have thrown the Bible out the window, it is odd that anyone can seriously take anything a Tom Mahon or anything that the "scriptures" says as any kind of truth or evidence of anything.</I><BR/><BR/>For those who haven't thrown the Bible out the window, none of us can take anything Tom Mahon says seriously: He misquotes Scripture, for heaven's sake! We sort of wonder what he might use a Bible for? Propping up a short leg on the coffee table, perhaps? Pressing flowers between the pages? Toilet paper?<BR/><BR/>As for the Good News, none of us should forget that it is the only CoG Magazine so far that had a criminal pointing a gun at the readers from the front cover.<BR/><BR/>And as for John Ross Schroeder, who can forget his Year 2000 article in, was it February 1999 Good News? The world was coming to an end. And we should blame the programmers! They were evil because they didn't plan ahead! So says your Bible... oops! Your Good News!<BR/><BR/>You know, the best thing United could do is just quietly chuck everything that Herbert Armstrong ever said and go forth without British Israelism, Herbert's false prophetic speculations of ill informed opinions turned into doctrine, walk away from the Classic WCG [as opposed to WCG lite] and concentrate on their gospel that there will be a second resurrection where everyone will get a chance.<BR/><BR/>Or they could just continue to have social gatherings devoid of spiritual meaning but rich with splendid potlucks on Saturdays and youth oriented... stuff for bored teens and young adults. 'Course, they already entertain themselves by going on cruises and out parasailing on the beach while the minister hides out in his ship's cabin. The UCG just needs to expand such things so they can fill up their "member" rolls with people having fun. An occasional prayer and mention of Scripture would be all that was needed to fulfill IRS rules....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-34342238438507016442008-03-20T15:59:00.000+13:002008-03-20T15:59:00.000+13:00Bob E.: The problem with your argument is that th...Bob E.: The problem with your argument is that the state of Israel exists and represents a gathering in of at least some of the Jewish population. At least, the Jews now occupy their homeland.<BR/>So if we interpret Biblical scripture in the manner that you suggest, there would be no nation of Israel.<BR/><BR/>It is an odd twist but the anti-Semites at Ambassador College used the in-gathering argument to prove that the people who presently occupy the land of Israel are really Gentiles. And by extension, most of the people who we know as Jews are then really Gentiles. And the real Jews, they believed, were some population located on the North American continent. <BR/><BR/>Crazy, huh.<BR/><BR/>-- NeoNeothermhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06546163563669263135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-35086611946449318392008-03-20T15:31:00.000+13:002008-03-20T15:31:00.000+13:00Some "GOOD NEWS" from the organization that publis...Some "GOOD NEWS" from the organization that publishes "THE GOOD NEWS"...<BR/><BR/>Just for your info...to those who are interested. Received info today<BR/>that UCG treasurer Tom Kirkpatrick has tendered his resignation.<BR/>Apparently this happened in December but has not yet been announced to<BR/>UCG personnel. It happened when the Regional Pastors were in Cincy for<BR/>a meeting. For some reason TK went ballistic with the RPs or some of<BR/>them at least. Jim Franks had to intervene and offer apologies. This<BR/>further angered TK so he resigned. And his resignation was accepted.<BR/>It officially takes effect end of fiscal year in June. So in the<BR/>meantime TK still comes in to the office and does his work. So I would<BR/>suppose that makes for an awkward, tense situation in the HO. Guess<BR/>things aren't too UNITED in the HO of United!!!<BR/><BR/>Bill Lussenheide, Menifee, CA USALussenheidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07497063495672247362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-28115364518616019692008-03-20T14:53:00.000+13:002008-03-20T14:53:00.000+13:00The alleged tribes of Israel are no more special t...The alleged tribes of Israel are no more special than anyone else on the planet. That whole story has gotten way too much press the last 2000 years. <BR/><BR/>Tomorrow is the Equinox (equal night) so happy EASTER everyone. The Sun is on the cross of the celestial equator and ecliptic and comes up due EAST. The Sun has resisted the temptation to be lazy and taken away the darkness of the world! :)<BR/><BR/>I've heard that story somewhere.DennisDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05069884969156562133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-53078383461660381272008-03-20T13:41:00.000+13:002008-03-20T13:41:00.000+13:00Neo,I agree with you that BI is false. While it d...Neo,<BR/>I agree with you that BI is false. While it doesn't take a lot of effort to disprove each of the multi-faceted parts of the BI argument, I like to cut to the chase and disprove BI, and much of Armstrongism with it, which just two or three scriptures and a few points of logic.<BR/><BR/>1. For those who look to the scriptures as an authority, I believe all will agree that the OC was an agreement between the Creator and the nation of Israel, and not with anyone else. Deut.5:3<BR/><BR/>2. Deut.28 lays out what would happen if they (Israel) kept their part of the bargain, and also what would happen if they didn't. Again, I think everyone would agree that they failed miserably and didn't keep their part.<BR/><BR/>3. Deut.28 says that if they didn't keep the agreement they would be scattered among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other. (vs.64)<BR/><BR/>4. Other scriptures tell us that when Christ returns he will gather the Israelites from the four corners of the globe where they were scattered.<BR/><BR/>Now for any BI enthusiasts out there I challenge you to prove from scripture that God did not keep His word, and gathered the Israelites back into identifiable nations long before He said He would. If He has done that, then your God is a liar, and you can have no faith in anything that He says.<BR/><BR/>End of argument!<BR/><BR/>Bob E.Baashabobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945527695465082450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-83547916057337949642008-03-20T10:36:00.000+13:002008-03-20T10:36:00.000+13:00"Weinland Ueber Alles".Or should that be "Rheinlan..."Weinland Ueber Alles".<BR/><BR/>Or should that be "Rheinland Ueber Alles?"<BR/><BR/>Remember,there are only about 20 more shopping days till the balloon goes up, according to Ron.<BR/><BR/>Get those emergency supplies stashed away.<BR/><BR/>All have a Happy Oester(Reich)if you see what I mean.<BR/><BR/>JorgheinzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-45120170334535193262008-03-20T09:59:00.000+13:002008-03-20T09:59:00.000+13:00I know that many of you do not find the Bible auth...I know that many of you do not find the Bible authoratative, but I will strike a Bible note anyway. If BI is false, and it is, there is really no certain mention of the United States and Great Britain in the pages of the Bible.<BR/><BR/>The OT which contains most of the prophecies is a book principally, almost entirely, about the Jews. Some feel that in the Book of Revelation the references to Bablylon may point to the United States. The Tribulation is not about us, it is about the Jews. It is a time of Jacob's trouble. No doubt we will experience collateral damage. <BR/><BR/>The United States is just another Gentile nation from this perspective -- and Gentile nations and empires come and go. The US and BC are hardly important. <BR/><BR/>Moreover, the Celts have identified themselves as descending from Gomer, hence, Cymry. Hoeh claimed in the Compendium that Catholic monks altered genealogies to hide the identity of Israel. I do not recall any foundation for this. I think he just plucked it out of the air. His argument was teleological. <BR/><BR/>The Anglo-Saxons claim descent from Gomer and Magog. <BR/><BR/>There is hardly any mention of Gomer and Magog after the book of Genesis. As one Rabbi wrote, at the time of some of the early Biblical events, the Celts were just a bunch of wandering plunderers up around the Black Sea. <BR/><BR/>Morality among Armstrongists is also differently valued. For most of us in the Christian community, morality is a means of preserving community and treating others with dignity. <BR/><BR/>For Armstrongists, morality is a means of measurement. It is used to judge and condemn people. Morality is the stick that you use to batter others. It is just like Paul said of The Law, it was glorious but there was no life in it. Because of human falleness its only function came to be to point out sin. <BR/><BR/>But this all plays well in Cincinnati. It spins up the lay members and keeps the wheels turning and the lights on. This is their business after all.<BR/><BR/>-- NeoNeothermhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06546163563669263135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-11846868661498169892008-03-20T08:54:00.000+13:002008-03-20T08:54:00.000+13:00To anonymous: with your "somewhat different perspe...To anonymous: with your "somewhat different perspective" - good post, you covered in more detail some points I made recently. Creation scientists (yes I know: gasp, shock, horror from the atheists here) state the different skin colours etc derive from natural selection genetic processes following migration round the world and the subsequent smaller gene pool of isolated communities. Whoever invented the concept of "race" should be held to account: there are no races, only families deriving from common ancestors.<BR/><BR/>lyle: I'm interested that you feel Ezekiel 36 and 37 can't be talking about the modern state of Israel - perhaps this is not the forum for it, but I'd be interested to know what arguments you advance to demolish that idea? Seems a whole lot more likely to me than having anything to do with Britain and America or a physical resurrection.<BR/><BR/>Finally why are there so many Anonymouses here? It's easy enough to pick a name and use it consistently, with no real loss of anonymity if that is important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-32378963870594265912008-03-20T08:27:00.000+13:002008-03-20T08:27:00.000+13:00"I feel we can do what we do, much better. That's ..."I feel we can do what we do, much better. That's all. There is a better way to go about spreading freedom. Democracy doesn't work on 500 calories a day. It requires self-sufficiency."<BR/><BR/>Exactly. And spreading freedom cannot be accomplished by toppling the governments of sovereign nations and/or supporting/installing/bribing dicatators (who we topple depending upon the weather). <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-37402860125265805732008-03-20T07:48:00.000+13:002008-03-20T07:48:00.000+13:00Mel commented:"Reminds me of a gal I knew who used...Mel commented:<BR/>"Reminds me of a gal I knew who used to find special meanings in all kinds of things, whether numbers on license plates, or writing on billboards and on the sides of trucks, not to mention rocks on the ground."<BR/><BR/>Hey Mel, I can't help but wonder if she ever explained the number 69 to you? :-))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-10566935135425522522008-03-20T07:33:00.000+13:002008-03-20T07:33:00.000+13:00Paul,I think your response was tongue-in-cheek but...Paul,<BR/><BR/>I think your response was tongue-in-cheek but to clarify; I feel we can do what we do, much better. That's all. There is a better way to go about spreading freedom. Democracy doesn't work on 500 calories a day. It requires self-sufficiency.<BR/><BR/>I very much doubt anyone has ever considered me a liberal (Though I am backing Obama so far) and I know for a fact no one has ever called me a commie....them's fightin' words!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-83475234807289035082008-03-20T07:19:00.000+13:002008-03-20T07:19:00.000+13:00"Just like France and Germany, the British are now..."Just like France and Germany, the British are now reaping the "rewards" of African and Middle Eastern colonialism."<BR/><BR/>But the British spread freedom, just like America! What are you, a liberal commie? They riot because they hate the freedoms we have! Wait, I applied that talking point to the wrong situation.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Paul<BR/><BR/><BR/>PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com