tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post3412546463307139235..comments2023-11-05T20:19:44.812+13:00Comments on Ambassador Watch: Fred's Historical Landmark, Part 3Gavinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03060097218905523899noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-27499441434921988232009-01-12T04:52:00.000+13:002009-01-12T04:52:00.000+13:00Rejoice! Rejoice brethren! Early Christian Writing...Rejoice! Rejoice brethren! <A HREF="http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/" REL="nofollow">Early Christian Writings</A> has risen from the dead!<BR/><BR/>Now there's a resurrection I can get behind.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-78624288330508310022009-01-11T18:53:00.000+13:002009-01-11T18:53:00.000+13:00"Is this one better or worse?"I refuse to dignify ...<EM>"Is this one better or worse?"</EM><BR/><BR/>I refuse to dignify that with any comment, save this one: <STRONG><EM>Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh!</EM></STRONG><BR/><BR/>Just saw this on <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">DC</A>, and thought of you: <A HREF="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/01/some-guides-of-tools-and-ancient.html" REL="nofollow">Some Guides of Tools and Ancient Versions for the Study of the Biblical Text</A>. Enjoy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-17144624705468532762009-01-11T04:15:00.000+13:002009-01-11T04:15:00.000+13:00Okay, Bamboo --As a member of the geek squad, I ca...Okay, Bamboo --<BR/><BR/>As a member of the geek squad, I can't help but try to identify the source of your avatar.<BR/><BR/>Is it the lynch mob coming for Gideon the morning after he chopped up Baal's altar and the Asherah grove?<BR/><BR/>Libro<BR/><BR/>(You know, when you put the bald guy back in context, he's a lot funnier...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-43524025343794375042009-01-10T19:42:00.000+13:002009-01-10T19:42:00.000+13:00Purple Hymnal said... Bamboo, your new avatar i...<B> Purple Hymnal said...<BR/><BR/> Bamboo, your new avatar is giving me way bad PTSD. ;-)</B><BR/><BR/>Is this one better or worse?<BR/><BR/>Thanks folks for all the great references! <BR/><BR/>Having grown up in the WCG I've been trained to be blind to them so its helpful to have a site (or several) as references. AMERICAN KABUKIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064036099785125749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-18995176132817878072009-01-10T18:42:00.000+13:002009-01-10T18:42:00.000+13:00Matthew before Mark ? Only in Fred's dreamsThe ach...Matthew before Mark ? Only in Fred's dreams<BR/><BR/>The achievment of Mark in fleshing out the cosmic Jesus stands as the greatest, most audacious literary fiction-posing-as-fact in historyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-9854303625434802202009-01-10T18:19:00.000+13:002009-01-10T18:19:00.000+13:00I used to flick through the SAB as well. Yes, some...I used to flick through the SAB as well. Yes, some of the points were a bit lightweight <I>sez you</I> retorts, like Homer Simpson thinking "I've got to say something or they'll think I'm stupid".<BR/><BR/>Also lightweight are the COGs' works on "Apparent contradictions". Some of the higher criticism is never hinted at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-18691302062174493832009-01-10T14:15:00.000+13:002009-01-10T14:15:00.000+13:00Purple Hymnal said... "For a thoroughly unharmonio...Purple Hymnal said... <BR/>"For a thoroughly unharmonious look at the canonical Christian scriptures, might I recommend the SAB?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yes, I like the SAB. The main reason is that they have been even handed, and allowed <BR/>‘Christian Responses’. <BR/><BR/>Many of these responses can be rather enlightening, and in most cases the response to these ‘problems’ shows how weak the SAB accusation is.<BR/><BR/>So yes, I like the SAB.Questerukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659962107808147107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-24716989623843048792009-01-10T11:10:00.000+13:002009-01-10T11:10:00.000+13:00"Also does anyone know of a really good "Dis-harmo...<EM>"Also does anyone know of a really good "Dis-harmony of the Gospels" that points out all the differences?"</EM><BR/><BR/>Bamboo, your new avatar is giving me way bad PTSD. ;-)<BR/><BR/>For a thoroughly unharmonious look at the canonical Christian scriptures, might I recommend the <A HREF="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html" REL="nofollow">SAB</A>?<BR/><BR/>Now THERE'S a "bible translation" I can get behind!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-47589660832413697102009-01-10T06:02:00.000+13:002009-01-10T06:02:00.000+13:00"The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy" by Dennis M..."The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy" by Dennis McKinsey comes to mind. The book itself is good, but the Biblical Errancy web site has tons more detail! This guy has a "no-holds-barred" approach to picking apart every single bible error!<BR/><BR/>Also, the "Skeptics Annotated Bible" no doubt has lots of good information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-10982374809674366822009-01-10T03:18:00.000+13:002009-01-10T03:18:00.000+13:00Here's a good list of contradictions in the Gospel...Here's a good list of contradictions in the Gospels.<BR/><BR/>http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-28245347369864308602009-01-10T01:53:00.000+13:002009-01-10T01:53:00.000+13:00Gavin noted:"To restore an original order requires...Gavin noted:<BR/><BR/>"To restore an original order requires that there be an original order to restore."<BR/><BR/>...and that's the truth. <BR/><BR/>There is no inspired order of course. There is only the chronological order of writing, that when understood seems to show that the Cosmic Christ of Paul came first and then a literalization of Jesus life was brought to earth by the Gospel accounts. <BR/><BR/>The Bible is documents, some by the author stated and some pseudopigraphy. Some would say none by the author stated, but that's another topic. <BR/><BR/>Putting in the other order, with the Gospels showing Jesus was first human and then cosmic, according to Paul, is more what the cause to literalize Jesus set out to achieve and the impression we have today.<BR/><BR/>It's not so much the order of the books that give a certain impression as it is the order of who wrote first in the early Jesus movements and what kind of Jesus did they portray?<BR/><BR/>Bamboo..I'd recommend, for a start, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism by Spong as a beginning look into the Gospel accounts and the concept of cobbling together a story of Jesus based on OT scripture rather than any facts the Gospel writers had at their disposal about Jesus. <BR/><BR/>That was my first read 15 years ago that took all that I noticed but could not explain and provided me with some nice "aha" moments.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Raymond Brown, Catholic Scholar and author of the Birth and Death of the Messiah series spoke well of Dr. Martin but felt Dr. Martin fell prey to an overly literal view of scripture, such as trying too hard to find out what the Star of Bethlehem literally was. It was a midrashic device as was most of the material, if not all, in the birth narratives of Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28426681.post-4815847656978718272009-01-09T17:36:00.000+13:002009-01-09T17:36:00.000+13:00Would this be a bad time to ask if anyone is inter...Would this be a bad time to ask if anyone is interested in a Fred Coulter "Harmony of the Gospels"?<BR/><BR/>I'd like to sell mine.<BR/><BR/>Also does anyone know of a really good "Dis-harmony of the Gospels" that points out all the differences? AMERICAN KABUKIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064036099785125749noreply@blogger.com